But is it not odd that the same Magadha who's previous lord (Jarasandha) was defeated by Karna long ago is now engaging in a second conflict with Karna? Biased arguments. When we talk about the Mahabharata, we fondly recall Lord Krishna, Arjuna, and Yudhisther. Watching tv shows and putting some irrelevant comments doesn't make any sense. I think it's mentioned in the Bhagavatham and possibly some puranas too. ". Karna did not defeat any army called Narayani sena. Yet, he displays great valor, honor and selfless offering. By the way, somewhere I have read that Krishna married a daughter of Nagnajit. According to BORI Critical Edition, Karna was weaponless, chariotless and heedless, enaged in extracting wheel of chariot when Arjuna aimed Karna from backside and Shiva shot arrow in order to rectify unarmed target of Arjuna. Karna conquered the whole world REALLY? So Karna basically beat up a woman's father because his friend Duryodhana wanted her. Sale Ban hi pada rah Videshi hokar indian bolta hai apne aap ko chutiye. Definition of the word "plots" (from a google search). That includes Harivamsa and Srimad Bhagawatam and the Puranas. Perhaps he is the one who killed Sakuni's father (Soubala). Karna in Mahabharat is depicted as one of the most complex characters. According to BORI Critical Edition, Karna never fell unconscious rather he was just stunned (amazed) Karna swooning episode is an interpolation as per BORI Critical Edition of mahabharata. Karna only conquered Videha, Nagnajit, Gandhara, Ambhasta, Kamvoja etc. And also Bhima was an all rounder thus the mahabharata describes his use of multiple different weapons. A username like "Unknown" is not good. Karna went to the roof of the world (the Himalayas) and conquered everyone who lived their. They were righteous people that never did anything bad to him. Karna is among the most popular and complex characters in the Mahabharata, showing both nobility and nastiness over the course of the story. Can you counter this argument??? Here is some more information about them -. Most reporters (Shalya & Bhishma the only unbiased ones) agree that Karna only defeated 5 opponents. And don't forget that the text says both of them brought the maiden with "them" meaning karna also touched the maiden and must have offended her. Quote: " Then Duryodhana, Karna and Subala’s son Shakuni tried many other means to kill the Pandavas. Abduction of a kalinga princess, using force on her family and the maiden because she did not want Duryodhana. 15. But unlike the author who demeaned the second greatest KURU after Bhisma, I won't demean Arjuna. In fact, according to BORI, Drupada was a poor warrior who was not a worthy rival to Vrishasena, Duryodhana or Jayadratha, moreover, Drupada could never defeat a warrior in his life. The Varnavrata episode was the doing of Duryodhana. I also found it their too so Karna basically defeated a father-in-law (Sasur) of Krishna. According to BORI, Draupadi was the only woman in our history who married multiple men. Some say he conquered the world, others say he only conquered a few kingdoms, some say he conquered just second rate kings, others even say that Karna just defeated one king and then started to believe that he conquered the whole world. Karna did not conquer the world or earth. Being thus oppressed by a great army, they were frightened. Tell me the name of the weed you are on????? I'm surprised but all these are indeed true according to BORI.C.E.Check the references. Rajapura was the capital of the Kamboja kingdom. Karna offering his wives to foot soldiers of his enemy's army. Moreover, Karna seldom used the invincible Vijay Dhanush except for his final duel with Arjuna while the latter used Gandhiva throughout his life. The entire article is about "I think, I presume,....." Best example of weed damaging brain cells completely, Yudhisthir told Arjuna before the final war that Karna can conquer the three worlds with ease. And he, after a hard conflict, brought the hero under subjection, and, O best of monarchs, made Drupada contribute silver and gold and gems, and also pay tribute. He was a great servent but not great warrior. The character we talk about the least is Karna - the ill-fated guy, the low-born king and the man who was accidentally cursed several times. That too when talking to Karna. People say that the critical edition (BORI) … He just supported the cruel Duryodhan with out raising a question. He is the spiritual son of the Vedic deity- Surya ("sun god") and princess Kunti (queen of the Pandavas), and thus a demigod of royal birth. It's a big misconception that Arjuna killed Karna by cheating and by using unfair means but according to BORI CE which is the most authentic version of Vyasa Mahabharata, Arjuna killed Karna in a fair fight.All the references provided here are from Bibek Debroy translation of BORI CE According to Manu Smriti, the people who have a Kshatriya father and Brahmin mother are of Suta caste (charioteer class) MUST READ: Different names of Karna in Mahabharat | Karna is not his original name They were people who are skilled in warfare, they were mountaineers, and lived in the Himalayas protected by fortresses. He must be punished. Since many people have doubts about Satyaki's capability's and use Bori Mahabharata as an excuse making statements like it removed all of Satyaki's achievements etc, i am going to make this post with proof and screenshots from the text of Bori … Not to mention the Pandavas themselves. I'm surprised Krishna enver chose to challenge him or even speak about this incident. Posted by Unknown … - Karna and Arjuna are two valiant warriors, both important characters in the great Hindu epic, the … The Ramayana and the Mahabharata. Duryodhana performed a sacrifice that only Vishnu ever performed. But, other versions of the Mahabharata such as Jaimini Bharata or Kumara Vyasa Mahabharata do not mention the event. In KMG there are two narratives which are used by Karna fans to prove that Karna had defeated Bhagadatta in his conquest.The first narrative is of the Vana Parva where the Digvijaya of Karna is described.But according to BORI the whole description of Digvijaya of Karna is an interpolation.BORI clearly removed that section where the Digvijaya of Karna is described. Now, the defeats of Karna according to the original Mahabharata: 1- By gandharvas: 'O king! It was not just a war between stars of your choice. with Shalya in the Karna Parva, it is found out that he considered the Gandharas an uncivilized people. UNFAIR DEATH OF KARNA FROM BORI CRITICAL EDITION Its time to expose another misconception spreaded by Pandavas fanatics. You should make Ann account on quora . But the role of Karna’s in the Mahabharata is important all the same. Yeah right biased for the truth. 39) According to BORI CE, Karna conquering his fatigue is an interpolation because Karna was tired before final battle and Arjuna was exceedingly tired still Karna failed to defeat him. Well it has been FIVE MONTHS that is the equivalent of OVER 150 DAYS. go read mahabharath.It was'nt even a naagastra. So i guess we can give Karna some props for this. There was no 'cheating' in the first 2 wars.. so Karna is definitely NOT stronger than Arjuna – ram Apr 4 '17 at 14:23 धर्मो रक्षति रक्षितः ।. According to the Grand-sire only 5 wars were won by Karna (in the Digvijaya). Karna fans don't like this because a lot of slokas related to Karna have been removed in this edition.But the fact is,all those slokas were interpolations.BORI has referred thousands of Manuscripts, those slokas must be present only in few manuscripts and were not there in others or perhaps they had some contradictory slokas in other manuscripts.This is the reason why those slokas … All authentic versions mention that Karna fought him and won.But i do not trust Bhagavatam as it is a fan-fiction written after Mahabharata. Kunti was granted the boon to bear a child with desired divine qualities from the gods without her knowledge, later upon … No "uchit uttar" lol. Screenshot (to prove that "Madra" is in modern-day Punjab): Satyaki's achievements in the Mahabharata. We bring you 10 lesser known stories about the ‘suryaputra’, … Karna plotted to murder the Pandavas in their childhood, prior to the introduction of Kripa (by vaisampayana). Karna is the adopted son of a charioteer (Adhiratha), who is of Suta or Souta caste. Yudhisthir never lied in this life except for once, If Lord Krishna didn't save the mighty Arjuna from Nagastra by lowering the chariot, then you won't be debating also about the might of Karna. And beholding the son of Surya--Karna of the Suta tribe--like unto fire, or Soma, or Surya himself, resolved to shoot the mark, those foremost of bowmen--the sons of Pandu--regarded the mark as already shot and brought down upon the ground. Karna did not fight any Gandharvas in his campaign. If adharma has won in Mahabharata, you wouldn't be using your gadget and typing some stupid comments here. "Karna was stronger" - Karna and Arjuna fought in 3 wars - first at Draupadi Swayamvara, then in Virata Parva, finally at Kurukshetra. Some have in their blood to prove against mainstream facts. He never protested Durdodhyan in all cheating. Karna or Arjuna: Who was the real hero of Mahabharata? I guess Karna fans can be proud of this achievement. They were kind of like the Indian version of mongols and Huns. Videha has a capital called Mithila. Analysis: Note that "all the kings" would include the princess's father. According to BORI Critical Edition of Mahabharatha, Karna's Digvijaya is an interpolation.BORI removed it from Vana Parva in their Critical Edition of Mahabharatha. Funny that all the compliment is either political move or exaggeration from the PERSPECTIVE of author. This means in secrecy, and it is basically the same definition as before for the noun. So, Karna attacked Gandharas and not Gandharvas!!!! This is the same country that was ruled by Janaka (the father of Sita from Ramayana). KMG text: "Karna that foremost of all wielders of the bow went to where the bow was, and QUICKLY RAISING IT AND STRUNG IT and placed the arrows on the string. According to BORI CE, Lord Krishna blaming Karna for varnavrat conspiracy in section-90 of karna parv is an interpolation. Karna did not ever conquer Matsya kingdom. He tooks a nonsense oath towards unlawful Duryodhan and helped him for doing all sins. Go get some life kiddo, "You were present in the Kurukshetra and watching lord Sri Krishna lowering the chariot". So what is the bravery in defeating them? So he could be an interpolated character, nothing is told about him and he is only mentioned to make Karna look good. The Kamvojas lived in the hindu kush mountains (modern day Afghanistan). Karna in Mahabharat is depicted as one of the most complex characters. The same country that has been defeated by India in many wars. FAIR DEATH OF KARNA BY ARJUNA. The BORI scholars have concluded that he was not. Karna never defeated any Nishadas in his digvijay. While according to Romesh C. Dutt's translation, Arjuna simply defeated Duryodhana while dodging the other warriors. DIGVIJAY OF KARNA – (BORI CE) This is the most awaited thread and finally posting on the demand of karnians. According to BORI Critical Edition, Karna never fell unconscious rather he was just stunned (amazed) Karna swooning episode is an interpolation as per BORI Critical Edition of mahabharata. Just removing the letter "v" was enough to change the identity of karna's victims. Strange it may seem but Karna held a beef with the Gandharas too (Sakuni & Gandhari's tribe). Analysis: According to BORI Karna never defeated any Gandharva in his life. Karna plotted to murder the Pandavas in their childhood, prior to the introduction of Kripa (by vaisampayana). On Duryodhana’s behalf, Karna led an expedition there. Period. 16. Unknown king only mentioned twice, by Shalya and Bhishma. they are equivalent to Mrityunjaya. Girivraja was the capital of Magadha and is now in modern day Bihar. Although the term everyone may be an exaggeration made by Bhishma. In Drona Parva this is how they are described. Quite biased statements only a desperate person can give to look down upon such a great character like Karna. Why would Karna have to defeat the same dynasty twice? A/C to BORI, the statement of vaisampayana in section-199 where he narrates about Yudhistira presenting an examples of 'Polyandry ' are an interpolations. Exactly like the advocates of persons like KASAAB OF PAKISTAN. Infact nowhere it is written that karna regained his sense so losing sense is out of context. According to BORI Critical Edition, Karna was weaponless, chariotless and heedless, enaged in extracting wheel of chariot when Arjuna aimed Karna from backside and Shiva shot arrow in order to rectify unarmed target of Arjuna He conquered them in his digvijay, their is sufficient proof for this. "Then, O bull among the Bharatas, that mighty bowman, Karna, surrounded by a large army, besieged the beautiful city of Drupada. Satyaki vs Karna according to Bori Mahabharata. 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